Video: "IS" ... The Basics of This:

Questions and Comments invited; write Charlie at non.duality@yahoo.com.

Noticing is what IS

Noticing is what IS. Noticer and noticed are what is NOT.

Noticing IS what is Real, present, aware, Impersonally Noticing Everything. That Is fresh and always here always now. Wherever you are This Is Here ... Noticing the "noticer" and noticing "what is noticed." All the noticer and the noticed are is a story overlaid on this Noticing Itself. That's all there is to "notice!"

What IS, is NOT. What is NOT, IS.

(But don't make any of this into a "rule" ... or a "truth!")

hello ...

Hello from no-one to no-one.

Hello. I love you. Won't you tell me your name?

non.duality@yahoo.com!

all 'gurus' are fakes

"Simply you must empty 'is' of meaning,

And take 'is not" as real.'

~ Zen Koan

The True I AM is NOT the thought "I Am"

The thought "I am" is a self-reinforcing thought. We prove we are separate by proving it with thought. This is seen through when there is an earnestness to invesitgate: "I Am. Is That True?" Can I know absolutely that I am the thought 'I am'?"

No. The proof that this thought "I am" is not the True I AM of nonceptual Being Its Self is available be seeing right now that in deep sleep there IS no thought of "I am," and yet Life lives the body organism. If YOU are the "thought I am" than YOU would die when sleep happens, and YOU do NOT.

I AM IS. That is NOT a thought. NOT a feeling. It just .... IS!

See that right now and that's the end of the search.

All Preferences are for a "me"

An email arrives: In the "NowsLetter" you wrote, "deepest seeing". There's a preference here for just "seeing". ("Deepest" could imply a 'path' to getting deeper ...)

Glad to hear from you and I always appreciate your detailed approach to pointers. I will be posting this shortly to clarify the pointer for any else who may have a similar interpretation:
It's said that way as there is quite often, for the appearance of a seeker, a "seeing of this". But that seeing is not the deepest seeing wherein there is no one. It's pointed out to that dream-seeker, out of the dialogues I have with those appearances that are still a bit deluded by the subtle sense there is a see-ER of this Absolute see-ing. But no pointer will ever be "accurate" or "right" or "perfect." They're ONLY pointers! Focus on getting the words a certain way can be misleading as then the focus is off Presence, Being-Awareness-Aliveness, and onto the comparing and judging mind-stuff.

Ultimately all words only point, and so they appear out of nowhere. This is an absolute mystery here.

Finally, I am reminded of the Hsin Hsin Ming: "The great way is not difficult for those who have no preferences." From no-point-of-view ALL preferences are for an entity. No worries, not having a go at anyone, this is just a natural aha! In this no-preferences no-entity Seeing This -- as it is -- arising in what IAMYOUAREALIVENESS.

Werd! Enough said... except, Love!

Does Awareness Care? WHO cares?

AJ writes, While watching one of your videos I heard you say: 'I am interested in ending your suffering'. This kind of struck me and so the following question arose: Does Awareness care???Who cares???Is it nonconditional Love with a capital L that cares????Who's the one that's interested??? Would you please elaborate on this. Lots of Love and a warm hug from a Dutch friend!!!!

This is an excellent question!

This caring "happens." Nobody cares: This is the happening of nobody caring. Through some organisms there is apparent caring or empathy i.e. Mother Teresa or "sailor" Bob Adamson or John Wheeler or Stephen Wingate. Through some organisms there is NO apparent caring, NO empathy... i.e. Saddam Hussein or Charles Manson ... OR even some VERY direct no-bull Nonduality "teachers" (Wayne Liquorman comes to mind, no disrespect, just how it appears "here.") But LOOK! On investigation it is seen ... there is no "person," no "entity" DOING or CREATING this naturally arising "caring."

So when the expression comes out, regarding a caring about ending your suffering, that is simply Oneness, appearing as This and Being That Caring. There is nobody caring, and THIS is what "nobody caring" looks like ....!

"Who is the 'one' that is 'interested'?" No-One is interested. There is nothing and no-one caring about anything. THIS is what "no-one and nothing caring about anything" looks like! You see, the mind-brain machinery thinks of love as the opposite of hate. And it thinks of caring as a person caring, offering some pity or feeling-sorry-for. That is all bullshit. This LOVE (as you say with a Cap L) simply IS. This Love, I call Aliveness (ALL LIVE-NESS), Isness, Being-Awareness, or Deliciously Inescapable Choiceless Cluelessness, or .... "Marmalade!"

Call it whatever, "it" (words! "IT is not a thing, the words is a lie!... but words are what is happening here, so .....) "IT" (Livingness-Beingness) IS, and "IT" stands alone as Nothing and Everything. Aliveness equally loves BEING both love and hate, both war and peace, both caring and not caring, both Saddam and Teresa, ALL the "pairs of opposites." Being-Aliveness-Lovingness (Sat Chit Ananda) has NO Opposite expect in the story of "me and other-than-me." THIS is a dear friend, Tony Parsons, puts it, "Nothing Being Everything."

THIS Being-Aliveness is "IT." NOW: Where is any exclusion OR inclusion in THAT!??

Thanks for a really great question. It appears in the dream-story that lots of "seekers-on-the-edge" have been stuck in that one. And lots of love and a warm hug right back at-cha! Before All, During All, and After all, You ARE That Love. So Love says hello to Love and Love asks a question and Love answers a question. There is Only Love ... Being all of This ... Totality.

Aliveness. Only That.

Our meeting in Edmond, Oklahoma on 21 October was quite wonderful; many very good questions bubbled up and then disappeared into the Aliveness from where they appeared, and there was much laughter and several "full stops".... as This Presence was seen by no one appearing as Aliveness Flourishing. Yee HA! Many thanks to Brian for hosting this "Gathering of One."

A new Two-Part Video arose out of the Energy of that meeting: To view, click the link below and you'll find "Aliveness and Bullshit!"

Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23mE8tE1gos

Love to all,

Charlie

we get mail

20 October 2007

Follow-up from R.H., who offers these ...

A "pseudo sense" of
Self-existence arises
With relative thought.

Question this "pseudo
Sense" of relative being
And see if it's real.

Find this pseudo sense
Of self-existent being
You now think you are.

"Who I think I am"
Is a pseudo sense of self
Thought into being.

Enlightenment is
Realizing "I as I thinkI am" don't exist.

Still and Always I Am...

BANG On. Welcome to The Home You Never Left!

__________________________________

20 October 2007

THIS

"I want" IS the split-mind of a seeker... I/Other.

A Priori Awareness ... I AM ... is Real and never missing.

"I want" changes constantly. I AM is Unchanging Being. Absolute Freedom Being Effortless Living. This ... Alone ... IS. Always forever not now not here Shining Naked Presence ... prior to the "thought" i am.

When Tthat is appercieved ... by no-one the seeker dies into .... THIS.

__________________________________

20 October 2007

Who is the "believer?"

What is it that "believes" anything to be true or not? Inquire!

A note arrived today in a publicly posted (no copyright) newsletter that is kind of worth sharing ... it says,

I am periodically taken to task for not having a teaching style more like some of my preceptors - most notably, Nisargadatta Maharaj. Maharaj was famous for speaking from the standpoint of the Absolute. He would say things such as, "I was never born and I will never die" and "I am awake even when I am asleep."

Such assertively non-dual statements sometimes had the effect of shocking his listeners into a profound, transcendent Seeing.I am sympathetic to this approach but I have rarely been comfortable using it. I feel much more at home when I am meeting my listeners where THEY are...most of them believing that they were born and will die and that they are asleep while asleep. From this point of "obvious" truth we can then proceed to examine the more profound, underlying nature of this "one" who lives and dies and sleeps.

No one can deny that there is EXISTENCE here. The nature of that EXISTENCE can (and has been) debated endlessly. But this EXISTENCE is self-proving. It is not a philosophical debating point but a self-affirming Truth. It is here at the center when you pull off the onion-like layers of your apparent self - the self that lives and dies and sleeps and wakes.We are the victims of our beliefs. When you "believe" the pointers of a teacher such as Maharaj the inevitable result is a kind of nihilism in which all that is apparent (including yourself) is denied as meaningless and illusory.

When you believe the pointers of a teacher such as myself the inevitable result is the sense of having a progressively deeper and truer knowledge about the nature of Existence.

So pick your poison. With a little luck...either one will kill "you."

Yes ... this is somewhat how the Obviousness of Being-Awareness ... Existence As-At-Is ... gets pointed out here .... Except that HERE there is NO belief in a teacher or a student.

Now, looking from this Naked-Being-Awareness into what APPEARS to be, WHERE is any "believer" who now "believes" a pointer? The Truth, believed, becomes a LIE ... it's the false "entity called me" that is required first, before any other concept can be "taken on faith."

Let's just point to the Absolute Pardox in this.

1. I AM is Self-Knowing Existence- Awareness.
2. WHO (or WHAT) AM "I?" Nothing but That.

Suffering abides in "I believe in beliefs and believers."
Freedom IS ... IS, Being, free of beliefes and believers.

FULL STOP.

More HERE:
http://charliehayes36.tripod.com/correspondence.html

18 October 2007

There IS NO "WAY"

Follow-up From R.H. – Thanks for last night... [our conference call - 'global satsang'] your actions are "selfless and inspiring" (though I know you don't intend to be). [But] A question occurred to me after one of your responses last night (one I thought best to address "one on one")…

Everything that happens here is freely shared. Here, there is nothing to hide, nor any “person” who would care to hide anything. Only a fake would need to be “careful.”

You ask, Does the "my way or the highway non-dual" approach you seemingly take mean there is "no other way" to realize the illusion of being a separate individual?

What!?? WHERE did THAT interpretation come from? At least you said “seemingly.” But look … you are just NOT hearing what’s being said. You are being a belief in a "personal entity" listening to another apparent person, which is just another cherished unexamined belief! … that is exactly what the mind does ... IT “knows” itself as a person and projects out that same idea of personhood on an empty mirror. You are looking at your own reflection of an ignorant mind-story … this story-teller who loves to tell his various “war stories” and his “being an enlightened person” stories writing ego-enlightenment poetry! … an “I” apart from the whole (impossible!) who challenges any pure nonconceptual expression of the one-essence …

There is no “my way” or any OTHER “way.” All that happens, spontaneously and with ZERO forethought, is an expression arising in response (seemingly!) to an energy of aliveness appearing as questions and sharing. One to One. I AM to I AM.

You miss the splendor of what’s pointed to in evaluating or comparing things … this way or that - that way or this, how many times have you heard that there is NO WAY? Yet the ignorance persists ... but for WHO?

What is happening here is the mind – which IS unbalanced nutzoid ignorance – running after a parsed out few words from an 80 minute conversation and IGNORING the essence of this sharing. All that is being said is YOU look for yourself. And if these pointers or the expressing organism through which words are sounding doesn’t resonate, then go on looking until you find one that does. There is no caring either way here. Notice that no donation is requested. Nothing is pushed on anyone. All there is here is the uncontrived clueless expressing happening. If you want to argue concepts and “paths” you are barking up the wrong tree!

… or is the relentless pointing back to THAT merely a means of keeping the "One you are addressing" from begging the question and bailing out down another conceptual rabbit trail?

That’s another story! You are NOT looking at this head on – these concepts are your prison of mind. But no matter, never mind. It is what’s so. But that is also, So What?

There is NO investment here in “making anyone get this.” There is no "my way." There is simply pointing out what has worked over eons to free the true nature of NON-conceptual Unbounded Self-Awareness from its cage of concepts. The talking comes from the Absolute Freedom of Oneness and addresses Oneness Itself AS Itself. No other is here nor there. What IS is I AM. Not Two! Full stop.

You’ll NEVER get this. You ARE this. Your conceptualizing and trying endlessly to get to some “truth” keeps you on the wheel. Well, Okay. .. So what? That’s what is happening. Oneness pretends to be separate from the whole. That's Oneness palyig that game! WHO cares?

Who CARES?

If you care, you’re screwed. There It Is ... Always Only Unconditional Ruthless Loving BEI NG, RAW and ALIVE NOW. Take it or leave it. There’s no-one to care! Notice that the mind likes or hates what is being communicated in this e-mail. Notice! You are the noticing consciousness, awareness itself. ALL else is bullshit.

Finally you write,

Fixated on Form
I overlook the Space-Like
Nature of Being.

There it is ... that ignorance in plain sight! "I" overlook."

This idea of a "me" "overlooking Being" is simply an appearance IN Being AS Being ... Oneness apparently dreaming it is split apart in two-ness. But it is simply nothing being everything being nothing being ...... ad infinitum. You can say, perhaps, "overlooking Being happens, apparently." But there is NO "person" called "I" DOING THAT.

WHO overlooks? Space like Being IS and cannot ever be overlooked. It's INESCAPABLE. TRY to NOT BE! How's THAT going?

You are telling a bullshit story to yourself and misleading yourself and anyone else who happens to see that false ego-posturing. Whoa!! WHO doesn't see this, or hear this? WHO?

And WHO doesn't like that pointer? You take your enlightened self SO damn seriously. Ah well. That's what's so. So what? There is ONLY TOTAL LOVE here for that little "you" in any case. 'Cuz YOU ARE Oneness. Gotta LOVE THAT. Naturally. Eternally.

There IS NO I apart from Oneness. You (the mind) separate Oneness with the ignorant dividing-mind. This is the infamous enlightened ego! Get off that ... but of course, "you" cannot do that, because ... TADA!! There ain't no such thing as "you" apart from All That Is.

Hello?

now air is air and thing is thing: no bliss

of heavenly earth beguiles our spirits, whose miraculously disenchanted eyes
live the magnificent honesty of space

mountains are mountains now; skies now are skies
and such a sharpening freedom lifts our blood

as if whole supreme this complete doubtless
universe we'd(and we alone had) made-yes;

or as if our souls, awakened from summer's green trance,
would not adventure soon a deeper magic:
that white sleep wherein all human curiosity we'll spend
(gladly,as lovers must)immortal

andthe courage to receive time's mightiest dream

- e.e. cummings

What are you seeking? Liberation, Self-Realization, Enlightenment, Oneness?

You will never find what you seek. You already ARE what you seek.

What Are You? Awareness, arising as Consciousness: ONLY Be-Ing.

What IS Consciousness? Non-conceptual BEING. The Mysterious Silent Source, the Fathomless Mystery ... words!

Words are only POINTERS.

Awareness is NOT a "Big Subject" or a "Huge Object."

Awareness - Consciousness is NOT a "Thing."

Ponder: What IS, is NOT. What IS NOT, IS.

Rest In Peace.

The Mind Has Endless Questions. WHO ASKS them?

Follow-up from G.H. The questions keep coming up. Seeking continues. Once the body mind is no more (death) how is Presence realized?

Awareness-Presence IS. THAT is NEVER either "Realized" or "Unrealized."

There is still strong identification with this body mind and not the Presence awareness behind it.

IS there? What a sad sad story!!! WHO is this that stubbornly and egotistically SAYS SO!??

How does the shift happen?

If you are waiting for some "shift to happen" you are gonna freakin' wait FOREVER, my dear "person." LOOK: Consciousness, the knowing of Awareness arising as "I AM" before the thought "i am," is not there in either deep sleep or "death." Awareness-Presence is Unborn and deathless. Be That (easy, as you already are That.)

WHO asks HOW? LOOK. WHO asks the questions? Give up all your questions except this one: WHO AM I?

In the sage words of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi: "The thought 'Who am I?' will destroy all other thoughts, and like the stick used for stirring the burning pyre, it will itself in the end get destroyed. Then, there will arise Self-Realization." There is a lovely paradox in all this: While there is in Truth no such thing as a separate “I’ and you already ARE what you seek, as long as there is the false BELIEF in a “me, myself, I” then this investigation is clearly called for.

So long as you believe there is a doer, just do that. (Go HERE for more on this.)

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11 October 2007

S.A. Writes, I greatly enjoyed the conference call. I hope I wasn't too disruptive! If you can't have fun with total freedom, what good is it? It's always interesting to me because we have to use dualistic speech to try and communicate non-dualism. I have great empathy for you and those who teach because of this. Now before you chide me for using "I" three times let me state that I know Santa Claus isn't real but I can still use the word. Using "I" in language is much easier than stating 'this mind/body thing' every time a self refer once is made. LOL

Oh ABSOLUTELY. It is only in a meeting and QandA context that I get after people who are still using personal pronouns in a suffering sense of being a separate entity!

Hell, Charlie, maybe this mind/body thing is right where it should be.

It’s right where it IS, so to say … . “Should” implies better/worse, right/wrong and even more difficult to see, “should” implies some controlling force or entity (‘me’ or ‘God’) “somewhere not here” that is pulling strings or wanting to. On investigation none such can be found. And another aspect of that is a belief that there “IS” “Time.” That’s a LOL matter of nattering nonsense!
But on closer looking, IS there an “it,” a “bodymind,” at all, apart from a story, a thought-feeling storm with a mouth? IS there any such THING as IS?

Or is there only What IS … Presence-Awareness, Nothing being everything … an exploding imploding Aliveness and Just That!

Have a look and LOL!

Don't know. Life is pretty good and seemingly getting better. Regardless, I would look forward to meeting you.

Living Peace, effortless living, uncaused joy! This is The Natural State. Home … the Home You never left. Life itself livingness dyingness all arising in THIS. Yee ha!

I look forward to getting together. As soon as the schedule firms up I’ll e-mail and set something up… And, I loved your expression on the conference call!

don't buy the 'booby prize'

What is This? Understanding? Believing? That Is NOT It. Understanding "I Am being-Awareness" is NOT Being-Awareness! NEW Video 8 October 2007....

i'll meet you at the tavern or the whorehouse

RZ Writes, I have enjoyed your talks with Paul.

Glad to hear that. What is it exactly that resonates for you?

The understanding of the 2 basic points of reality are understood by “me”.

The “me” is false. If you are still convinced there is a “me” that “is convinced,” where IS that thing? You are and you know that you are. All is Oneness appearing as a dreamer that dreams it is a separate me apart from the whole. But how can anything be apart from ALL THAT IS… Oneness Itself IS and even this false idea of a “me” IS that Oneness appearing as two and many and all. No separation anywhere. Even the conviction of separateness IS Oneness, One Sourceless Being, appearing as two-ness-ing.

Understanding this in the mind is the booby prize! Who understands? A dreamer.

I still find my day goes in and out of suffering.

That’s what is happening. To whom?

I have a time where my mind is engaged, suffering happens. Something in me notices it, full stop…

That is not accurate. There is nothing “in you.” The noticing happens from nowhere, it is (so to speak) Awareness-Being that is noticing Itself ... Its Self ... appearing as a "suffering entity." But so what? It is as it is … Oneness, Onenessing! But all that is still a dream, and you will be the dreamer until you are not. Nobody is here and nobody is there. Emptiness alone IS and all that seems to be real is a dream “me” dreaming “it” is separated from the whole. The dream goes on … until it is seen by no one that there is dreaming happening in Oneness as Oneness and that’s all there is … that’s the full stop. What you are … BEING … is inescapable, unavoidable and absolutely UNKNOWABLE.

… the truths are again realized and the suffering fades. I would say the suffering to not suffering ratio is still 80-20 unfortunately. Sure when I first saw the truth it was 99-1 before I started “full stop” when my mind was racing.

That is what is happening in the dream.

Is this how it is?

This is how it appears to the dreamer.

What am I missing, my mind is stronger than the apparent reality, at least 80% of the time. Thanks.

What the “I” always forever is missing is Nothing. Because Nothing cannot be either missed or known, found or lost, you might very well have a good laugh and head for the tavern or the whorehouse!

I’ll meet you there!

[ Note, these talks are at http://charliehayes36.tripod.com/correspondence.html. ]

just this

Until your life is lost, you will always wonder why …

For what you seek cannot be known, but neither has it ever been lost.

That is why there is nothing in the open secret message for the seeker to grasp and claim ownership of … no special states of bliss, stillness or silence are on offer.

The fallacy of the need to attain earnestness, acceptance or refinement of the body-mind is exposed.

You will not be invited to look within and discover ‘your true nature’ or that state of awareness which promises so much, but comes and goes so quickly.

There is no compromise with the seeker's need for guidance, process or teaching of becoming. There are no spiritual lollipops of any kind on offer here … nothing is for sale, but the fairy story of the ‘little me’ could expire.

The gift of being together in this palpable boundlessness is that already what you are is seen as wholeness, without expectations or demands. Confusion and resistance can dissolve in the light of openness and nothing will be left. Out of that nothingness emerges the indescribable fullness and wonder of simply being.

Tony Parsons

This one is SO simple and bang on it had to be shared ...

"The notion of the 'me' means the assumption that I stand separate and apart from consciousness as an independent do-er, agent, thinker, enjoyer, etc. This is false, as there is no such entity to be observed or discovered in our experience."

- John Wheeler, http://www.thenaturalstate.org/

You Are. Being and Knowing Itself, You Are.

All else is IMAGINATION!

More Feedback from the Norman Oklahoma Talk on Sept. 30th 2007…

To the host of the Talk, I wrote:

Just a note to say thanks for breakfast and lunch! And I loved Being with everyone. Any questions, comments, doubts, what-abouts or anything else? Is it clear that what you ARE is the Unborn Clueless Being and what you are NOT is a thing apart from all that Is and appears to exist?

Waking to the dream is all that is necessary; This is seeing the false as false, and directly knowing (without a knower) that Only Being never changes ever! ... and there is life itself appearing now in effortless living, aliveness in true peace, watching all that appears ...
Here and Now, There is Always Only Nonconceptual Eternally Love, Loving love and hate, war and peace!Freedom in True Peace is Your Natural State. Invincible and Alone (All One.)

This response arrived today from the host:

That was a lot of fun. I’ll be interested to see if anyone wants to pursue it further or just drop it. I saw a few furrowed brows in there. It is all clear to me.

Awesome!

Yes, in my case meeting John Wheeler the seed was planted. My brows were plenty furrowed until the investigation proved there is no entity choosing or deciding, not in this charlie-thing or in any other pattern of the 'person' appearance.

So seeds get planted. The IS plants 'em and might or might not sprout them into the inquiry into what I Am and what I Am Not.

Always interesting to watch! To state the ever present obvious. Not preaching to the choir here ... just babbling on about no thing. :-) ...
By the way, looking in a Crichton book at the library while seeking a put-the-organism-to-sleep book for the evenings in the Unborn I came across a quote you might like for the group ...

"What interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the world." - Einstein

It might arise for you to share that this idea of course is essentially arising out of a bullshit premise (!) but that idea can lead to the investigation that ends psychological suffering once and for good: What is God? Where can I find God? What is me? Where can I find "me?"

Emptiness here emptiness there ... yet all appears and is loved!

As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, There is IS. Is-Ing! As you now know, That Is Always Only Love.

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Another attendee and co-host writes, THANKS SOOOOO MUCH CHARLIE! We had a BLAST! I think that your words touched more folks than you know. I think that those who did bristle were fighting with the simplicity of Advaita - I know I do!

And that battle is suffering, isn’t it? This is so simple; they are, as you are, and that is known. That’s it in a nutshell. Notice the shell, not the nut inside it! Then notice the space both nut and shell appear in and know that you are that. Then it’s truly all over. Life lives itself in endless peace as has always been the true nature of things.

For a few people it may have been too just too non-dogmatic but I would say the majority were married to an idea of complete secularism and your words hit hard to fracture that facade.

Good news! That’s what John Wheeler offered to me and it does work. Isn’t THAT cool?

My dualistic monkey-mind just won’t let me believe that it is that goddamn simple…

Yet the space of Being-Awareness is untouched and so let the monkey-mind chatter. Never mind. No matter!

When you stir the pot with this group you have no idea what you will get. I think there some (perhaps many) who think it is a load but some have already got it, some are close, and some need more persuasion for the house of cards to fall.

No persuasion is needed … only a mind could get persuaded and convinced (conned!) and this natural Knowing-Awareness of Being is prior to all that mental stuff and beyond either conviction or doubt. The seeing of this part of the message comes along as the seeker investigates for himself or herself! No words from another will ever let the false be convinced it is false (how could it!?)

In the story of me and other, the con seems to be in full force for some, has been crumbled a bit for others, and others are “on the edge.” But a con is a con! It isn’t real, only falsely accepted in the absence of investigation. So in most cases simply seeing “I am, and that is known absolutely,” will seem to the AHA! Of natiral seeing of what is real, and then seem to be obscured again, until what is doing the obscuring … the “me” idea … is looked at head on with Naked Awareness. And then it stops like a deer in the headlights. In that stop the search ends … just NOW.

I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall after the session - I saw several people discussing it, which is GREAT!

The One Self is the Ultimate Agent Provocateur!

Keep on with the pointers Charlie!!!!

I am not doing a thing so what could stop that from happening? Not one not two. Even “one” is too many!

Anyway, I’m glad to hear all this! Sounds like it’s going exactly as it is going. Funny how that works, isn’t it?

Follow-up

Q: I humbly accept that you are pointing to the fact hat a fictitious 'person,' identified as this body-mind with a name, is still seeking enlightenment and being concerned with so-called others. I agree that this is the bottom line of the inquiry, which for me is fulfilled in the moment of the inquiry only. I have yet to relax into BEING THAT. I guess I am occasionally seeing the freedom-from-suffering while searching for the freedom-to-act as Consciousness.

Ummm ....... not knowing IS freedom....

... all is resolved effortlessly in the Unborn. In This not knowing Unborn Unknowable IS there is no one accepting or doing or being any thing at all, nice or not. In the appearance, the dreamcharacter brian wants the best for the dreamcharacter charlie. And vice-versa!

Just see this as the dream! The Self is the Dreamer. The dream appears in That Awareness and fools the mind into accepting or rejecting, being this or that.

You are and you know you are. That is quite literally all there is to 'realize.'

SO, You are already always resting in endless beginningless peace ... in and AS That.

Awareness, Being, is already always only the "Actor" ... only already always "acting as Consciouness" ... dreaming ...
Nothing wrong!
From Sri Nisargadatta:

As I can't be what I perceive, I am not this body-mind or any thing that I am conscious of. As there must be something unchanging to register discontinuity, I am not this body-mind, which is neither continuous nor permanent. As the person is a changing stream of mental objects that I as the subject take to be my body-mind, I cannot be a person. I am, but I can't be this or that. As it is my presence, which is always here and now, that gives the quality of actual to any event, I must be beyond time and space. I was never born, nor will ever die.

Q: I thought the talk (in Norman Oklahoma on Sept 30th) went well, but I was concerned that one of the people there was put off by some of what came up and that maybe some things were said that should not have been or could have been put differently.

There may have well been some at that meeting that, for example in my experience of one appearing 'person' that is not yet hearing what is being said, are taking the pointers as only concepts one sometimes gets and sometimes does not get with the ego-mind.

For this fellow, it seems that currently it's all conceptual ONLY. And in my experience he is still taking himself to be a "very insecure person" and "person" that can be both a vociferous admirer AND (the other side of a persona like that) quite easily offended.

The bottom line is he is not really hearing, not listening, not really INVESTIGATING if the "me" exists; only agreeing or disagreeing. Judging and evaluation! So there is not really looking at who he is and who he is not. I have seen this happen often. It happened to that way for me; John Wheeler and "Sailor" Bob Adamson had to get quite pointed and play real hardball -- sometimes very very loudly! -- about my ass-kissing persona that then would flip into a pissy person hurling accusations that Bob and John didn't really "have it."

This gets resolved only by investigating this "person" who still is under the sway of the delusional mind ... and the real deal here is that NO "teacher" "HAS IT or DOES NOT HAVE IT." There is no IT to have.

I am nothing, I have nothing to teach, I am not a teacher and there are no students. What happens in these talks and meetings is an open sharing of what worked to bring my suffering to an end. "If they have ears they hear."

There is no entity controlling any appearance’s “expression” nor is there any controlling entity causing any apparanet “other’s” reactions. This is proved beyond doubt OONLY through deep investigation. All I suggest here is looking to see what in "you" is concerned about what happens to a so called "other" and notice that there is only a movement of thought energy taken on board as a substantial, solid and real "me" – a belief ONLY that is NOT being looked into and dismantled at the core.

In short who cares? Only a "me" can care what "another" says, does, believes or feels. There IS NO OTHER. These are all imaginary figments in a dream. Only a "me" can judge and evaluate and have preferences and want some pattern of energy to be different than it appears to be. It's all futzing about in a dream by a dream character. So with all love and respect I humbly suggest that YOU really LOOK for this "me" that thinks it is a real, controlling or knowing anything, or is "you" and the"other" and "charlie" merely an appearance of a content of awareness ... and is there an object arising in awareness that ignores the awareness and becomes a fake knower, a pseudo-subject?

Who cares? Find out if there is any such thing!

Then all this folderol goes up in a cloud of heatless smokeless light and laughter can hardly be contained.

There is no me-you-other. That's the bottom line. It was all a dream!